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Exactly what pussy said. The club must deal with it first and foremost!

Everyone is welcome on here but the club always comes first!

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The fish were blinded by overexposure to his pure awesomeness!

Play nice everyone. There's no need for excessive bickering. People are interested in what happened, naturally, and want to know what occurred.
If they're smart, they won't listen to the news and wait for an official report from the club with complete details that won't cast bias on the issue.
On the other hand, there's no need for club members to react with anger and offense to comments that were well meant, but may have been insensitive.
The issue needs to be resolved calmly.

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This forum is a club forum. It's purpose first and foremost a communication tool for the Southern Freedivers. We allow the general public to access the forum so they can learn about Victorian diving.
Unfortunately in doing so it turns many experienced club members off and don't contribute because the amount of shit that gets typed on here. For example people posting information that is not reflective of the clubs views of posts that reflect badly on the sport. 99% of these negative posts are by people who are not Club Members.

Is it to get more people to join the club? Yes and No. The Southern Freedivers is a not for profit club! No one makes any money from the club. The club gets a whole $15 from each membership and trust me there is not much spare change after club room fees, trophies, functions, first aid equipment, etc. It does how ever give people great exposure to the sport. If they do join the Southern Freedivers or any other club for that matter it gives spearo's a better voice and benefits Victorian diving. We ultimately just want to share the sport we are so passionate about.


You and JJS came out 2 days after a diver almost died shit canning the club because we hadn't put any specifics out regarding the incident. This idicates that you were not so much worried about the safety aspect but being a bunch of sticky beaks. We had not even had time to look at what happened ourselves.

We work our arses off as a club to best promote the sport and make sure our members have a good time. And for some key board warriors to sit there and judge how we are handling an event whilst we are making every effort to make sure Brett is doing ok has really makes me question why we bother opening the forum to non-members. Or maybe i'm just sleep deprived.

Either way, that's the last i'll be posting on this thread.

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Apologies. Thing's don't always come across the way there' intended.
And sorry to Tom for taking part in hi-jacking your Thread.

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We would still have to monitor it as it's on the club forum. Have the non-members thought of starting a Victorian Spearfishing forum?

This is not the club saying piss off to anyone, just asking for a little patience and more consideration for the club and the blokes doing the hard yards. I've got three kids, work etc so when I jump on here and have to spend time going through absolute crap instead of spending it with my boys I get pissed off. Never really had this problem before but with the amount of newcomers to the sport it was bound to happen, these things just had to be said also!

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The fish were blinded by overexposure to his pure awesomeness!

Lethal- I was never shit canning the club. I was genuinely wanting to learn from what happened, who wouldn't? I didn't realize the matter was so secretive and sensitive, as i said i have been through similar situations, but in the end we need to learn from it. If you take that as sticky beaking, which is a massive assumption, i do worry about the sport. I've come down from QLD, and VIC spearo's are very different. No one is attacking the guy or trying to make the sport look bad! We care more for the actual incident and learning from it. One of my mates has permanent brain damage but nearly died, after the incident not one of us attacked someone who asked what went wrong or how it happened. That would have been stupid and achieved nothing positive. People can learn from the error, so it doesn't happen to them. What good does it do for the sport to have it kept up in wraps?
I still don't know where i was slamming the club?
Anyway, this is achieving nothing. For those people that are genuinely interested in learning from the incident, and i would worry if people didn't want to learn from it, hopefully it will come out eventually. If not, then that's the way it is.
Sorry if I've pissed anyone off, that was never the intention. Lethal i wasn't having an attack of how the club was handling it, i just thought keeping it quite would do the opposite from the sports point of view. I know most non spearo's who have talked to me about it, have there own view of what happened, most not good. It can't be good for the sport to keep it secret.
People might be more willing to join the club if they weren't getting attacked.

I think the reason for frustration is that the club can foresee serious problems coming from as Lethal put it 'keyboard warriors' and they have done a very good job to prevent this from happening.

The last thing the club, or the people involved in the incident want is a shitfight over who is to blame, which I would suggest is a very possible outcome of allowing anonymous, non-members to discuss the incident on the forum. This would result in three things, people feeling threatened that the judgments they made and actions they took are being questioned by 'keyboard warriors' that of course know everything (not to mention feeling like shit), the media jumps on the forum and starts quoting some of the bullshit appearing on the forum and finally, the whole review process is compromised as everybody becomes extremely defensive about the situation thus we miss out on a big opportunity to make spearfishing safer because some idiots want to have a wank off over the incident.
What we need is an honest, open and supportive process to assist all people involved and ensure that all the facts come out, which I think the club deserves a lot of credit in successfully achieving. I am very confident that a comprehensive investigation of the incident is progressing (as discussed in Tuesdays meeting), and already new measures are being discussed and taken to make comps and day to day dives safer. No doubt these will be shared with other clubs and other divers when appropriate.


This is probably correct, but remember some absolutely critical things. Most importantly everybody involved in the incident is protected by anonymity, thus comments are less likely to be seen as personal (not to mention those involved will quite probably never hear or read them). Also remember, people were relying on the forum to get up to date information about the victims condition, they do not at the same time need to read how keyboard warriors would have prevented the incident or saved the day. There are plenty of other other important reasons, it is still a police matter, insurance claims are being processed, etc.

What happened on Sunday, the circumstances in which it occurred and the responses that people made is the business of the people involved on the day and nobody else. Outside the people that were there, it will be an impersonal analysis of the 'clubs' role in the incident and what the club can do differently (or the same) in the future to prevent or manage incidents. Who did what, saw what, said what, is completely irrelevant.

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Claymore- I was after details from people who knew what happened, not keyboard warriors. I was not after a discussion from people who weren't there, nor a discussion to see if someone is right or wrong, actually i was not after a discussion at all, only to hear what happened. I think you missed my point. Nobody is trying to blame anyone, it is purely to learn from. Why you think it is an attack, i have no idea?
Serious problems could come from saying nothing as well, as the general population likes to make up there own mind about what happens, especially when they are given limited information. With the negative image spearfishing already has, it wouldn't surprise me if this just adds to it.
It just seems to be a strange approach to the whole incident, as i have never seen a similar incident handled this way.
Nobody is trying to say that they would have saved the day, that's stupid! I don't know where all these assumptions have come from. People just want an idea of what happened, so they can try to prevent it from happening to themselves. Is this unreasonable?

Your request is not unreasonable but just be patient. The club won't be holding any information back.


If you are so desperate for the info call me 0414093675.

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It seem's this accident has revealed what this forum has become and what is happening within it.
I might be wrong but i would assume that there are alot more victorian freediving spearos than there are of those who are SFD.
I was once a member, but now just dive with a group of friends who are also not members. i think that it has been under estimated what this site is, I know that it is yours (SFD) and i and many other are just welcome guests.
SFD is a club with dedicated members but unofficially you are more that just that, You all represent victorian spearos and freedivers and your site this forum is where the two parties communicate and for SFD at times such as these that must feel very invasive.

Im not a member but i do care about the safety of fellow spearos and i do feel left in the dark and so do the other vic spearos i dive with. people who dont get wet such as us know just as much as i . and i share the same water and passion as those involved and SFD is in control of that.
I love this site and all the good it does for this sport and your club and i hope the vic spearos can embrace it a bit more as everyone and the sport benefits.

Well I reckon that pretty much sums it up!

Well put Dusky!

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The fish were blinded by overexposure to his pure awesomeness!

JJS, I wasn't directing my comments at you or anybody who has posted (or at least posts that are still up). I was simply giving some reasons that would justify why the club may have taken this stance. Whilst you were not trying to point the finger or start a shit fight, I am sure you can appreciate that some unscrupulous individuals may choose to do so, and in doing so cause significant harm to the victim, individuals involved in the incident, the club and spearfishos in general.

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I didn't realize people were trying to point the finger in previously deleted posts. I can understand why people were getting annoyed and frustrated. I seriously meant no harm at all. I just love the sport!