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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 11:52 
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byong, what kind of knife was it exactly? was it the supposedly illegal double edged kind we all use for spearfishing, or like a filleting knife? fishing knife is a pretty broad term.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 12:06 
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That is pretty bad mate - you got that with you for life now. They are obvioulsy exercising the "no tolerance" appraoch re: the new knife laws. Before these laws you probaly would have appealed/not have gotten the conviction (sorry not sure if you did get one) but you probably have close to zero chance now, even with a good lawyer. They don't care, they will simply apply them and make an example of you, there are no defences for this at the moment as far as I am aware (but some will have to exist in the future - I mean how do you buy a f@%^g knife in peace, show them a docket?): you have become a figure in a statistic used to support the belief that politicians are "doing something about it".

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 13:15 
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I wouldn't worry too much, if it ever came up in the future I am sure that people would be a lot more reasonable than the moron cop and judge. It obviously wasn't a double edged blade or the !@#$wits would have probably gone for an illegal weapon charge instead. What kids need is more freedom to make small mistakes as kids, not ineffectual regulations by governments to make them look like they are doing something when these 'kids' royally screw up and kill or badly injure someone as adults.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 15:09 
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Personally I am worried. Along with tons of other people my job requires a police check and something like this could have an impact on my future employment.

Surely it would be a different story if the knife was in a dive bag and you were heading to/from a dive (damp wettie, etc).


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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 17:49 
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Dave, there are two issues here; whether you are justified in having the knife and whether you are 'possessing' it. You must be engaged (not about to be, or returning from) an activity that requires the use of the knife. You could have argued that you were not in possession because a) you were neither carrying or using the weapon, b) it was not within reach therefore should not be considered 'in possession,' c) it was secured within a vehicle.

There is a serious problem in that there is no distinction between careless storage of a knife, and somebody deliberately carrying one as a weapon, thus if someone sees it in a record they will probably assume the latter. Again, it just goes to show the complete incompetence of our government and law enforcement in addressing this issue, punishing those who try to do the right thing.

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PostPosted: 12 Apr 2010, 19:57 
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yeah it was a fillet knife.
the cop said that unless i had just come back or was just going fishing, that there is no excuse for carrying a knife in the car.
not sure what the terms are, but its classified as a controlled weapon? dunno what that means.
the lucky thing is, i didnt get a conviction. it was a guilty plea with no conviction.
but the fine was pretty hefty!! think it was $800ish. not the best considering im doin my apprenticeship! hahaha!


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PostPosted: 15 Apr 2010, 12:12 
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byong wrote:
I know this is an old post but i have something to add.....
I got in trouble a bit over a year or so back with having a fishing knife in the car.
My FISHING KNIFE was sitting on the back seat of my car next to the squid jigs. I had been fishing like a wk before and had dumped my squiding stuff on the back seat of my car as it had started raining.
i forgot about it and by chance a cop pulled me over and saw the knife.
Now you'd think after I explained my story and with the fact that my fishing gear was on the seat of my car also, that you'd get off with a warning or something....no.....an %!^%hole cop says to me, "im gonna have to charge you with possessing a controlled weapon".
now considering the 2 cops that pulled me over had said, "dun worry bout it, it should be fine."(in the interview/statement thing where i had to explain why the knife was there) but then when they went outside, their boss told em to book me. didnt care about the facts or reasons. said it would be up to the courts to decide.

what happens in court you ask??!!??....
the very fine magistrate/judge/ "your honour"(really?? your honour??!! power trip!!!!) person decides that, "since the police officer had decided there was enough evidence to charge you, im going to have to find you guilty of possessing a controlled weapon".

NICE!!! now because 2 idiots...(one cop and one judge) decided they were to lazy to look over the facts, i was found guilty of possessing a controlled weapon!

Now that im getting into spearfishing, what the frick should i do? use a rubber knife??
Sometimes i think the world has gone too far....political correctness...woman's righ....not gonna go there...hahaha! Bit of common sense please!

Sorry for the rant,
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On the topic of over regulation and lack of commonsense, I got asked for ID when buying a squid jig from Big-W last week :shock: :shock: . Apparently they are classed as a 'dangerous weapon' and I needed to prove my age(Im 27..lol) :shock: :shock:

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hahahahahahhahah sounds like someone is having a lend mate.

if not, fuck me stupid, the people that run this country are paranoid..


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shazdogg wrote:
On the topic of over regulation and lack of commonsense, I got asked for ID when buying a squid jig from Big-W last week :shock: :shock: . Apparently they are classed as a 'dangerous weapon' and I needed to prove my age(Im 27..lol) :shock: :shock:

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Thats gonna suck for the poor bloke that gets attacked with a squid jig.. :shock:


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PostPosted: 04 Apr 2011, 22:38 
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but yet you can just casually walk in and buy gaffs and not to mention spearguns.

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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2011, 10:45 
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Nice grave digging, this issue was brought up a year ago.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2011, 12:49 
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Kurt wrote:
Nice grave digging, this issue was brought up a year ago.


Thought I heard of this drama a while back, from memory not much came out of it and shops keep selling them as law enforcement didnt seem to really care that much.
In my opinion ceramic and polymer knives pose a higher risk to society then a spearo dagger.


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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2011, 22:02 
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why the care about this is beyond me ... anyone seen these tasers bulit like a flashlight they get them thru customs very easy ... they got enough power to take down a cow

or the fibreglass daggers they miss all metal detectors ..... look out clubs, pubs, aircraft, music concerts

bcf are still today selling these double sided knifes but like the spearguns they sell u need id...
but not when you can buy online http://www.bcf.com.au/online-store/boat ... ?id=350306


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PostPosted: 01 May 2011, 22:46 
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I was in south africa almost a year ago and picked up some dive gear over there. I happened to purchase A rob allen kinife pretty well identical to the one in the age article. I also had about 5 or 6 guns and a few other bits and pieces and brought them back through customs with out an issue. I was simply asked if the guns were pneumatic and then sent on my way. So it is clearly media hype bullshit. However I should probably remove my dive knife from the back seat of my car, but then I seem to have taken oska's quote to heart and my car is such a mess that if I did get pulled over it'd take the coppa atleast an hour to find the thing. hehe.


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