Lou Hadju wrote:
It seems the point of contention is whether whites should be protected or not.
As they are, and always will be that argument is answered.
As for the rest, apart from a few species, nurse, thresher, and whale....they are mostly not. Unfortunately, with the help of people like the guys in the photos more species will be added.
It occurred to me today that most of you guys have grown up with whites being protected, so for you this is the norm. Also you’ve been bombarded by countless documentaries about the natural world, often based on the apex predators, narrated by the soothing voice of Sir David and often ending in, “but sadly, this magnificent bird, animal, fish.. is now endangered because of humans etc etc”. Very emotional stuff.
Before a lot of you were born, whites were unprotected.
Some cagey entrepreneurs were cashing in on the publics fascination with sharks.
The Taylors.... These two, along with their mates are directly responsible for the bans on the following species.
Professional spearfishermen. Took countless amounts of Black Cod, Queensland Groper, Blue Groper and powerheaded hundreds of Grey Nurse sharks... all for the market.
Once fish stocks started to decline they were the first to venture out into the Coral Sea looking for untapped resources.
However Ron was clever enough to realize that spearing was not going to sustain them in the long term and decided to film some of their exploits.
Well the public love it.... how brave they were, especially the beautiful Valerie (and trust me, she was a spunk in her day!)
Yes, they blew away Grey Nurses, speared heaps of fish, chopped sea snakes in half with hedge clippers...riotous fun!
And the dollars just rolled on in.
But it was the shark action that the public loved so their attention focused on these and eventually whites in particular.
Rodney Fox....
Was an insurance salesman at the time he was attacked.
Then became an ab diver before cottoning onto the fact that there was good money to be made by taking tourists shark cage diving with whites.
And for those of you who believe that he bore no grudge against sharks after he was bitten, then clearly you did not see the documentary on him, filmed by the Taylors (but I might be wrong on that).
In it he admitted that he was so pissed off that he took up an offer to go to NSW and blow away as many Grey Nurses and Whalers as he could.
All filmed and aired on national TV. I still remember the shots from below, looking up at the boat, heaps of sharks hanging by their tails, clouds of blood wafting down.
Nah, he wasn’t pissed off at all!
There were others too...John Harding, Henri Bource and a host of lesser lights.
All cashing in on the publics fascination with sharks.
And then along came the movie Jaws. It proved to be a world wide sensation.
The Taylors were rapt. They actually got to film most of the underwater shots for the film.
And countless follow up documentaries and specials, they became overnight millionaires.
Pissed a few people off... especially going to locations on the S Aus coastline unannounced, burleying the shit out of the place, attracting huge angry whites, then stuffing a wetsuited dummy full of burley, putting a chain mail suit on it and putting it in front of them to see how much damage occurred to the chain suit.
All this with a couple of unwitting ab divers on the other side of the point. Not happy campers when they found out.
Rodney Fox was rapt, hundreds of divers were wanting to see a white in the water, business boomed.
He was charging $10,000 per diver for a one week expedition, and that was back then. In no time at all he was rich too!
But unfortunately for them, Jaws was too successful.
It scared the shit out of people to the point where, especially in America, no one would go swimming, surfing or diving. Hundreds of businesses world wide went broke.
At the same time everyone wanted a set of jaws for the lounge room wall. A good set would fetch $1000 or more.
Well we can’t have people killing the cash cow now, can we?
Fox, Taylor and the likes screamed long and loud and thats where the bullshit started.
Apex predator, noble magnificent creature, around since the time of the dinosaurs, critically endangered!
Fox appeared on national television and stated, “there are 39 white pointers left in the world”.
As it turns out the Cousteau’s were in the country at the time, they took a plane and flew over the Bight and other parts of the SA WA coastline and in a week counted over 200, and these were obviously the ones on the surface... who knows how many more were on the bottom?
They politely concluded that Mr Fox was “mistaken” in his assessment of white numbers.
No shit?
Still, Fox and Taylor were bringing big tourist dollars into the country, the green movement was taking off and after South Africa, of all places, placed a ban on them other countries, including Aus followed suit.
So there you have it folks, banned mainly to protect commercial interests.
Not one scrap of scientific research was conducted at the time.
Ah, but at least one of us has read “papers”.
Papers.... papers are written by folk with a vested interest. Rarely is there an objective study done in cases such as this.
The researcher would have wanted to find a good reason to justify protection, and finds accordingly.
Or the government supplys funds for a researcher to investigate the situation.
Never will a researcher conclude that, ”yep, theres actually shitloads of them out there, lets kill a few.” But more likely, “ oh yes, they’re highly endangered, need more study, give me another grant so I can spend the next couple of years dagging around on the water.” Where he’ll find they’re still endangered etc.
And what has all this research found?
They’re an apex predator... good... didn’t know that one.
Slow growing.... aha.... late maturing... yes..... few offspring..... really?
Oh, and they travel a lot.... no! Get out of here! For real!!!
But how many are there, to be so endangered?
Don’t know, do you?
What a joke. On the strength of this research I’m expected to allow an attacking white to have me for lunch or get fined for defending myself.
But getting back to numbers.
It stands to reason that there are far more around today than there were 100 years ago.
What do I base this on?
100 years ago the Bass Strait sealers, along with sealers worldwide decimated seal populations on all corners of the globe, only stopping the slaughter when numbers dropped to the point where it became economically unviable to continue.
At the same time whalers were busy devastating the whales.
Both of these species are vital food sources for whites. Knowing how population dynamics works it only stands to reason that with a drastically reduced food supply white numbers would have crashed.
With protection of these species their numbers have rebounded dramatically as would have shark numbers. This is a biological fact, often called “the balance of nature”.
Oh, and have I mentioned that they are a global species, found in numbers on every continent of the world, (except maybe Antactica).
Endangered, I don’t think so.
So am I advocating wiping them out? Fuck no! Nothing deserves to be wiped out.
But I do not believe that they deserve protection.
Some seem to believe that if protection was removed this would trigger a response that would have them wiped out. Why would one take that attitude?
Before protection a handful were taken ever year, mostly by game fishermen. That was it.
Actually, as an aside, The Great White Shark, Greg Norman, caught a couple off SA. The first one was released for the benefit of the cameras and squeamish viewing audiences but after the cameras left he went and caught another one for a dead fish photo. Article from Modern Fishing back then.
Probably deny it now.
So, am I an ignorant redneck that just wants to kill, kill, kill?
If you want to believe that then thats your business.
But I think you will find that I know far more about the subject than most of you and that is not what I am on about.
Those wankers swimming with the whites want sharks protected.
Whites already are. So clearly they want more... what next, tigers... bull sharks?
With added protection comes more sharks... more sharks will result in more fatalities.
And when that happens people will say that it was the victims fault for entering “their” environment.
People say it now.
Hence my comment that these guys are educating the public to accept sharks killing people.
If you choose not to see the connection then thats your problem.
And as stated before, human life is far more important than something as insignificant as a shark.
If my dog bites an intruder on my property, he is put down, if I cause a death I am jailed but a shark fatality? Nothing...but almost pity for the poor shark and condemnation for the victim.
This is completely irrational.
While I am truly shattered at the loss of my good mate to a shark, I have always been against the protection of whites, purely for commercial considerations and on hearsay evidence.
And to this day I have seen no hard evidence to suggest that their numbers are such that they needed protection then or now.
Clearly I don’t see them as some wonderful animal, but rather as an ugly and at times quite grotesque shark.
And as for comments in relation to car accidents, killer bees or whites in the kitchen.....
Much too long, not going to read that. *lazy*